I WANT AN APOLOGY FROM @howhigh - ON THE ABUSE REPORT

11 months ago

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Hey Smokers,

A lot of you might have read my last post on the CHALLENGE we made on the Abuse Report made by @howhigh that was publicly posted recently. In thar report, I and my friends were suspected of having multiple accounts that abuse the Smoke Network. We politely asked the person behind @howhigh to remove us from that list because according to that person we are circle-jerking on upvotes. A lot of convos were exchanged at Discord last night, but @howhigh kept on deleting our messages particularly messages of @mermaidvampire.

Here, I am providing my proof that I am human by sending what was asked from me. I am sending this to the admin of the Smoke Network for verification... and should a KYC doc is needed, I will send it to @stoner who is the owner of the Smoke Network. Other friends will follow suit. Above is my proof that @indaymers is not a fake or dummy account.

You can read some of my SMOKE posts under these references :

https://smoke.io/smokenetwork/@indaymers/a-tour-to-the-cannabis-grow-shop-in-andalucia-southern-spain
https://smoke.io/smokenetwork/@indaymers/cannabis-strain-amnesia-haze-my-amsterdam-experience
https://smoke.io/cannabis/@indaymers/my-2nd-visit-to-the-cannabis-grow-shop-southern-spain
https://smoke.io/smokenetwork/@indaymers/get-a-cannabis-grinder-for-your-joints

ONCE ALL HAVE SUBMITTED CORRESPONDING PHOTOS WITH DATE, USER NAME AND PC PHOTO.... WE WANT AN APOLOGY FROM @howhigh PUBLICLY POSTED ON SMOKE!!!

@indaymers



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Hey there - briefly saw all this when I logged in this AM - and just want to say I DO NOT agree with how that post was handled. It could have been potentially damaging, cast aspersions against other authors...and honestly made no sense.

I’m not even sure what he means by “circle-jerk” exactly because I’m part of plenty of Discord communities on steemit that require you to upvote to support members...there is auto-voting for your favorite accounts too...none of that is seen as abuse. How is it a bad thing to be supportive within a circle of like-minded authors?

The whole thing made me furious - and have serious questions about the kind of people running this platform. I was excited to be here - and now I have serious questions about the culture.

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You obviously don't understand how public opinion on blockchain works and how people will form their own opinions based on evidence. If they don't deem something evident of a suspicion, there is no reason to see someone as an abuser in their eyes.

I get that maybe some of you are foreign, but here in America, we use different specific words for a reason. I did not "accuse" anyone of anything, I stated I was "suspicious" of a group and their behavior. You are all the ones causing conflict here. I think you misunderstood what my intent was and what I posted meant. Please stop resorting to insults because you do not understand a situation and how it is perceived by others. That is ignorance and I do not appreciate it. I am trying to also see things from your perspective, but you need to understand that I speak English and my meaning was not to be harmful, it was to get others to do research into what I was curious about.

I'd really appreciate if we all acted a bit more mature about this. I only questioned the legitimacy of the accounts involved in the "circle-jerk" (this term only applies if it's abuse. I suspected it could be that. So I brought it to the attention of people. That's it.

I have no issue with real people upvoting only other real people. What I do have an issue with, is people creating multi-accounts so that they can circle-jerk and keep curation rewards paid out among their multiple accounts. If you don't understand that suspicion is the first step and not even an accusation... then I am sorry. But to the majority of people and cultures, suspicion is not an accusation and it is far from condemning. This is a blockchain too. Country, culture, it only matters so much here. More than anything, just an identifier. Americans didn't see this and think you abuse, they saw it and saw "suspected" and we see that as "nothing wrong is necessarily going on, but it's something that should be looking into a bit further, just incase." That does not mean to automatically remove votes and flag. Your rewards remain.

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I get that maybe some of you are foreign, but here in America

My understanding is that the blockchain is a global platform, which means that an American lens should not be assumed as standard, at the risk of alienating many. On steemit there are systems in place for plagiarism and abuse - you can report it - and then it is reviewed and action it taken as appropriate. I have not seen public oustings - except in high-profile, dramatic situations like this one.

My opinion remains that this was handled poorly - and as a new user - it remains my review of this platform that there seems to be some promoting a “call-out” culture, rather than creating a measured process to review incidents and take action in a measured, fair manner. My personal style is not to have a suspicion, and then post it willy-nilly in public. If I have a suspicion, there are better ways to handle it. Again, this is my opinion - much in the same way you shared yours by posting what you did.

As a brand new user here - this is a major red flag - and that opinion will remain.

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I totally agree with you 100%, those are very good points you just discussed as an experienced steemit user as we are. I just don´t understand the way an issue is handled here, let alone posting publicly without second thoughts. Some of the devs on Steemit are also the devs of Smoke, it is an exact copy of Steemit just with cannabis theme. Thank you for your explanation which is comprehensive enough to hopefully enlightened our friend here. Kudos!

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So then it would be a "red flag" to you that I would request YOUR identity be proven now as well? Since you're making a claim to be someone? I'm only making actions that have been consistently approved of or agreed with by others. I am simply saying that in America, this was in no way offensive enough to warrant ALL of your poor behavior and name calling. I've already addressed this issue PRIOR to things coming out, with the people in private. DMs and all.

The consensus was:
Bring it to the public, see what they think. It's not clear.

So get off my back, please. If you care about this place, you'll understand that my efforts along with a lot of others, are the only reason why plagiarizers and abusers aren't ruining the platform already. As a new user, you seem to have no respect towards people, based off of something you don't know about. Sorry, but I don't think you have room to speak in this matter, honestly, you haven't been here long enough to know what's been discussed and where. I've brought this to many people before I even considered making a post. This post wasn't even about them specifically. That was just put there to ask the community to look into things themselves. The post was to let people know who's been caught doing what and when. Things were separated specifically so that they were not labeled as abusers, only that I was suspicious.

A red flag would be that you're acting this defensive for someone that you have no idea why they've been suspected.

Please. Just let it go. No one attacked anyone except them attacking me verbally with insults. I merely stated I was suspicious. It was no claim of accusation. Have a nice day.

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Well spoken...

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Hello! I too was asking the quality of people running this platform. There are a lot of whales here from Steemit and I was just wondering what the future of Smoke will be when it goes on like this.

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They are shooting themselves in the foot treating new people like dirt...

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Exactly. Funny how someone who just knew how to code and just got onboard Smoke and treats himself like a God and some blockchain enthusiast and bullies my little sister. I have been coding since 1997, I never said anything. My disabled sister that was bullied has worked for MS, Google and Oracle and currently handling a department in one of Alexa's big 3 and she was bullied by this newbie witness God wannabe. Life is too ironic. People are so full of themselves. That newbie witness wannabe wants people to show faces and get his approval for verification for whatever purpose it serves him/her but then he/she is anon herself/himself. Wow, God must be here exercising his ultra mega super powers upon tiny Earthlings who just wants to make this world a better place.

Oh boy. Just keep on doin whatcha doin! I knew for sure I'm talking to a human after interacting with you several times on here. An email and phone is provided for singing up, but it is to protect @stoner for example they can hand the list to authorities if for some insane reason demanded. Signup however, does need an email and phone, and a reason to stay anon here (like, you live somewhere it could be dangerous for you to be identified using MJ - like me)

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Hey you @easyrider! Thanks for dropping by bro, happy to see you here. Yeah, it is no longer an issue with us proving that we are humans. We just move on and do what we like to do and that is blogging! See yah! Cheers!

@nona hates that I have agreed to do this because this is by far the cheapest thing we have to do eversince we knew computers. I am so stressed of the toxicity and the nonsensicality of this need for showing computers and handles on some paper. This is nothing but an invasion of our privacy, but anyway I will play the game. I am appalled that not everyone understands that you can have a sibling and you can both be into same stuff and of course support each other. Some people call that circle-jerking. I just got up from sleep that felt like a coma, but I am refreshed now and loaded with good vibes. Weekends are awesome! I am over the drama and shit thrown at my face. This is my last post regarding this issue because I need to do better significant things.

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I doubt there will be an apology but heck, I don't care anymore. People are cruel. Period.

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Too much emphasis on punishment here at smoke.io makes it seems like everybody is ready to pounce on you, instead of communicate; maybe some people just don't know how to communicate well; whatever happened to tolerance?

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Social witnesses like them should do (at least) good PR coz devs are too busy coding to do PR but then look at these noobs epic-ally failing at it, undoing the goodness and beauty of this platform. So anti-chill. So, anti-stoner attitude. So power tripper, so ultra mega anti-decentralization. They are trying to make pedestals and putting themselves up there. Or riding some high horse, commanding, demanding respect. BS, respect? You give it to get it. You don't power trip your way to have it, you will fail at all cost.

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No, I'm PRO-protection of all the legit users' assets. Major difference. You're being negative, you're being "anti-chill," you're the one being dramatic because one person, who does not represent anyone other than himself, thought something having to do with you looked suspicious. I'm just against people abusing and when it's questionable and I want assistance in looking into a matter, I bring it to as many people as possible to get as many opinions as possible, to see what the community wants. Here you are tho. Insulting me yet again. Showing your true character. I demanded nothing. You can manipulate facts all you want, but the fact is I've done nothing wrong, but your behavior is disgusting.

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There had been various prior communication over the course of weeks in the abuse-reports and in direct messages among others in the community and I. There is plenty of tolerance. Suspicion of only around 10 accounts is not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Especially considering there's hundreds of hundreds of others people that post daily and have not made it on the list. I never accused anyone, people don't seem to be understanding that and I'm not sure how to get them to. I merely had suspicions.

So we're clear, since you don't seem to get what I am saying. It was Suspected not Accused. I never said for sure at all that there was abuse. Don't appreciate the personal attacks and immature way of handling things you've done here.

I tried many times to talk things out with you. You did not want to be civil and hear me out. I tried to mediate the issue by explaining that it was simply suspicious behavior to me and I wanted second/more opinions. You didn't listen to me.

I did what I could and you all freaked out about it, while not having lost ANY rewards because of it. You insulted me like children and I do not appreciate it. I agreed to disagree and asked you to just drop it and that if you were indeed real people, that the community would surely have your backs. You still did not listen to me.

I refuse to sit here and let you demand an apology from me when your behavior was the overreaction. You will never receive an apology from me when you try to insult me and bash me and make me out to be some horrible person because I observed an oddity and reported it in the most unsure manner (making no accusations because things were not clear, I PURPOSELY put "suspected" instead of "accused" or just that you are doing things.

I made immense efforts and kept my composure when dealing with people who want to do nothing but resort to name-calling and such and I just won't stoop down to that level. I may have let an insult or two out along the way, sure. Defensively. (TBH, not even sure I did at all. The convos are public so what I wrote would not be changed or edited. Blockchain doesn't lie. Your insults are embedded there forever.) But I've gathered my composure and decided that this whole thing is not worth it. You don't have to answer to me, you have to answer to the community now. You are no longer my issue and I will merely be observing as I always have. If you are multi-accounts, I couldn't care less; If you are acting organically. Circle-jerk voting with multi-accounts, however, is an issue for many in this community, you will find out. I said it before and I'll say it again; I wish for the best, but until I've seen 9 people with a picture like that. Different pictures, computers, etc. Then I will simply be skeptical. That's all this was ever about anyway. I had skepticism about the legitimacy, not solid evidence. I had possibility. So I did not label you as abusers. I labeled you as, on my blog, from my perspective, suspicious.

Hope you can relax a bit, cuz if there are health conditions involved, you are the ones making a huge deal out of something that has not impacted you majorly at all. No one has removed rewards, no one is flagging.

Chill. Please.

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You are no longer an issue to us either, the damage was done on our reputation and you still do not apologize for what you´ve done.... you hurt the 9 people on suspicions that were not fully supported by your evidences. You could have asked us before you posted that publicly because in my opinion, you are thinking of a heroic act on your part for doing so. I do not know how it is in your country, but here in Europe, people are careful not to hurt anyone´s feelings, otherwise you´ll all land in court.

This will be my last comment on the issue... more friends will come forward to send their proof of a real person behind the accounts you suspected. And oh, ask your friend @tree to keep on flagging my post just like what he did today to my previous post! And lastly, you are no longer a credible witness and therefore we are no longer supporting you. FOR US, YOU ARE NOW A PERSONA NON GRATA!

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They never apologize; they just keep justifying their rudeness; i was handled similarly by @skylinebuds very harsh, very insensitive, and a whole lot of justifying bad behavior... Too much emphasis on punitive action...

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Still going around trying to drop my name I see.
Well as for these people like @indaymers i got photos showing what seems like a circle jerk. We will find out if and when they all show face with user name and date and smoke.io.

As for you @holysmoke I flag a comment from you saying your new and drop your posts this was mid convo and then find out your not new you have been on steem for a year so you know comment spam is garbage.

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@skylinebuds you are on the brown nose list!!!

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The brown nose list EH explain this to me?

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i would be happy to explain it to you for a phenomenal fee, let's say 100 smoke; as soon as it's deposited you'll get your explanation...

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It is funny because I know a handful of dev witnesses and social witnesses in other platforms they are not like this new Smoke witnesses with little stakes. And as you can pretty much tell the big ones who do so much in the background are not this noisy and not unethical like these people. Some people are too culture-shocked of how beautiful Blockchain is and my God they are too overwhelmed they are unaware they do not know it and they are spreading their ignorance and dirt all over the place. Note to Smoke devs and investors, please get social witnesses that are good for Smoke and your devs are already awesome except one who messes too much of what's happening in the surface. I am tagging @stoner, @officialfuzzy, @chronocrypto and @indica for attention. Thank you so much. I'm having a great Sunday with the fam and my online friends coz apparently I have online friends unlike people who do not understand that, and having online friends to them means you are a circle-jerking asshole. Pathetic.

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@skylinebuds, you being a witness on smoke doesn't make you look God on the Smoke network... you are just like the friend you are defending trying to incriminate us when you use the word "seems" in your arguments.. look at you as a witness here vs. us ...the group you are criticizing whose members are just planktons that have zero value upvotes... we don't care if you flag us... Is this the sense of Smoke Network you are representing?

And besides, what happens next if the people you suspected turned out to be all HUMANS? Will you and @howhigh eat your own words?????

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No. We will feel that you've done your part in proving you're not abusers. That's what will happen. Others have been asked to verify themselves before. Others will in the future. We are allowed to be suspicious of what seems like it could be abusive behavior. Being a witness has nothing to do with this, really. Witnesses don't represent the platform. They help keep it functioning. I would be a witness regardless of what happened because it helps the blockchain. I run a much stronger witness than I need to as well, so I will support the growth of the blockchain pretty well.

Not sure why you're still insulting people and putting them down over this. I tried to make it clear that I was only suspicious, you seem to think that is the equivalent of murder or something tho, so you're acting wildly dramatic. Idk what to make of anything anymore but tbh I'm just tired of you insulting people.

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I am a witness and by making sure people are not abusing and stealing from the reward pool I feel I am doing part of my duty.

As for the one that post 2 labtops with user names that don't prove you are more then 1 person it just proved you use 2 labtops

With all honesty and no disrespect to anyone but my attention span for this drama expired a long time earlier today. I feel so bad for my sister, Idk how she feels after being power tripped on, but she looks so exhausted.

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Please tell your sister @mermaidvampire to chill up a bit.. that will not be good for her dialysis treatment next week.. hugs!