Apparently my opinion about Bots has started a flag war

6 months ago

I did threaten to flag Spam accounts that are getting Bot upsmokes

As there are a bunch of NEW accounts that are posting spam and getting hundreds of upsmokes that are obvious bot accounts and those who are abusing the reward pool. I think most bots are BAD. It is My Opinion that bot makers are ruining the blockchain. The main reason is all of us content creators who work our asses off to create content to be read and enjoyed are being ripped off, because those bots are not reading out work. I don't like bots on the blockchain because it messes with the quality that gets put out, people get lazy and put out shit. It is my opinion you don't have to agree with it. I have lots of opinions about things and how they should run. I have strong opinions on Cross Posting and thinking people should be cross promoting instead. And many disagree with me on that, and it is okay, because this is the blockchain and each of us contribute to it, and we all have different opinions on what makes it work. Just because you disagree without someone's opinion doesn't mean you should go on a flag war, but that has happened to me. @hightimes aka @vaped is one of those bot creators and took offense. Maybe because I used the word you instead of bot creators, but regardless I stand by my statement that Bots ruin the experience and chase people away from the site. I have had countless people tell me as much. This is what I said You can find the entire conversation here. Then I got home to find I was tagged in a post asking for me to be flagged over this comment below. Which I fully stand behind. You can find @vaped post here where he is asking for me to be flagged.

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I am floored that he wants to start a flag war with me

I give very strong opinions about things all the time, and no one ever has said she is a bitch for her thoughts I am gonna flag her. He says I am mean to him, Fucking bitch I sent you a phone case free of charge, but I am mean, no not till you pulled this BS, now I might be mean and a fucking bitch back. Here is the link if him thanking me two months ago because I am nice. https://smoke.io/news/@hightimes/special-thanks-tecnosgirl-for-the-sick-new-smoke-io-iphone-case so which is it? Am I nice or am I mean? And if I am so mean why not make the post on your main account instead of the alt account?

So he is asking for you to flag me

If you think I deserve a flag go ahead and give me one, but I don't think giving an opinion my point of view is a reason to flag a person, I personally like to save flags for spam and stolen content. I was pissed when I first read his post a bit ago but I wasn't home and on the road, so I only placed a couple of retaliation flags, but if he continues to flag me I will flag back in retaliation. I didn't flag his post like he went and did mine, but he can take back his few dollars, I seriously don't want auto votes, if you can't take the time to read what I write, please don't upvote/upsmoke me at all. It is a waste of my time to write words that no one reads. Shit if that is gonna be the case then I should just start copying and pasting shit from other sites.

I thought of being petty like he was

And ask my followers to flag him. But that is childish bullshit that I am just not into. So I am not going to ask my readers to flag his accounts. But I hope that this post ends this so called Flag War, if I keep getting flagged by these users I will flag back, and it should be noted that there are some users that have me on an auto voter trail. (I personally don't like those either, I think they are abuse too for the same reasons, but there is nothing I can do about that or the bots except speak out against them) so if I flag there is other flags that happen automatically. So a flag war is pointless..

Till next time Stoners

It is 4:20 somewhere so puff puff pass and remember that not everyone is always going to agree with you, if that makes you pissed off, STFU and smoke a fucking bowl. (I apologize for the curse words in the post, I am normally more together then I am today but this really did piss me off.) And if I offend you that bad with my opinions it is called a mute button use it.

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I am not taking sides here, you guys solve your problems via DM on the discord server, you both are putting great content, both of you are token holders and one of you is a witness, both of you have put many hours of hard work, solve your problems and lets take care of our investment.
Think that this personal problem of yours affect everyone and brings the value of this blockchain down.
Maybe it is time to have a look at the good and bad things regarding this bots and see what we as a community want, discord server is great to talk about this things and hear the opinion of devs and community.
Above all, we need good content and way more users let`s not give a bad example and push people away

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You guys never voted for me, so as far as i'm concerned u all took sides! lol

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Well i cant blog here with joesmoke bot on my ass now. We were all friends but not any more!

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I don't have any problems, she started it!

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I don't want anyone to take sides, but because of the posts put out I felt like I had to make this post. Like I said I hope this post ends this, because it isn't good for the platform at all.

BRO THE ONLY REASON ANYTHING SHOULD GET FLAGGED IS FOR EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC, HORROR, PEDI, HATE CRIME, DISCRIMINATION. HAAAAAAA NOT BECAUSE YOU GOT BUTT HURT. ILL ADMIT ANY TIME I'VE ALMOST FLAGGED SOMEONE, I'VE WRITTEN DOWN THE REASON, WAITED TEN MINUTES... UPON RETURNING TO THE ISSUE I REALIZED IT WAS MY EGO WANTING TO PUSH THAT BUTTON AND NOT WHAT ITS INTENDED FOR. WE HAVE FREE SPEACH, AND IF SOMEONE MAKES A MISTAKE. YOU COMMUNICATE. SHE SAID SHE MAY HAVE USED THE WRONG WORDING. YOU STILL ACTED ON YOUR EGO... SHAME. IT MAKES ME NOT WANT TO INTERACT WITH SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE SO EAGER TO STOP MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION OR TO HAVE A MISTAKE . ITS LIKE SOMEONE CALLING THE COPS ON BK BECAUSE THEY PUT MAYO IN YOUR BURGER. JUST GROW UP.

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Fine maybe I just wont vote for you and anyone that does not vote for my version of this post???

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(GRINNING A BIT MANICALLY)

NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO BRIBE ME BY INTIMIDATION? FOR MY VOTE? WHY? I UPVOTE CONTENT I LIKE. I UPVOTE CONTENT ON MY FREE WILL. I WILL NOT BE HARASSED BY YOUR VERY ILL DECISION TO TRY AND INTIMIDATE ME INTO DOING WHAT YOU WANT.. WHY? IS THAT WHAT YOU DO? WHO YOU ARE? DO YOU GO AROUND INTIMIDATING PEOPLE INTO ALL YOUR UPVOTES? OR DO YOU EARN THEM? YOU CAN RIDE THE TIDE OF THAT EGO AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO SON, BUT WAVE WILL COME TO AN END. AND THEN WHAT? YOUD HAVE NOTHING. NO INTEGRITY, NO FUTURE UPVOTES.. SHOW YOUR ASS, I DON'T CARE. IT'S YOUR LIFE BUT ID ADVISE YOU OTHER WISE IF I THOUGHT IT DO ANY GOOD. REMEMBER YOU GET OUT OF LIFE WHAT YOU PUT IN. BE AWARE OF THE THINGS YOU ARE SEWING....

Norway

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OMG i don't need a lecture from you! I was not bullying, you all smoke too much! lol 😂

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Not nice!!

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I am not nice!

Oh my lord. @hightimes be a man or woman, and don't get butt hurt over someones two cents. Grow the fuck up and move on.

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I don't want to hear anything from anyone, unless you want to get unfollowed and out of my voter too! IDK bye! unfollowed!

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Cry me a river.

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Please don’t contact me again bro!

If their account rep is lower than yours I don't think it affects your rep. Many accounts with low vote weight aren't enough to hide your posts with flags nor negatively effect your rewards.

You can always mute them, eventually they'll get bored and move on

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That is actually the smartest thing anyone has said to me all day! You are a genius, I should not need to update my code for a bot vote blacklist because if I simply mute them from my account then they wont show up in my feed for the bot to find and vote anyway! Nice, I never really had to block and mute anyone before, so this just dawned on me lol ! O.K. your comment was actually helpful, Thanks!

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The comment applies to you @vaped. You are being very childish in all of this along with hightimes. Please, do some growing up and stop with the petty ignorant immaturity. We only want people to thrive here, given they are contributing positive things for the platform. This whole thing is just childish tho and the point he is making is that if you don't like something, just mute it or pay it no mind. You're making your situation worse by throwing a tantrum over a simple disagreement. You've blown this way out of proportion and are now receiving backlash because of it... Use your head, let it go, things could be better for you if you do, but you're choosing to bring this on yourself and it's not a good look mate. :/

I made a bot many moons ago to automate my curation but have since shut it down because I was voting posts I wouldn't normally vote.

I see the bot argument like I see the gun argument, guns are not bad, but some gun owners are... Same as bots, bots are not bad, but some bot owners are....

Flag wars and petty behavior like that is IMO one of the downfalls of steemit, maybe even a larger problem than bidbots were. If grudges like this continue, or become normal for smoke, it will make it difficult to onboard or keep new users to the platform.

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I totally agree and only made this post because I felt like I had to, because of the posts made about me over this. When someone starts asking for another to be flagged it is bad for the platform and for me I work hard to protect my reputation, do I always say the right things or do the right things, no I am human, I misspeak sometimes just like any other human does, and will own up to my part, but I truly felt I needed to defend myself. I don't want anyone to take sides, but to see that it wasn't as it was put out as. I want it to be over with.
When someone makes a comment that your opinion is now reason for a flag war and then makes a post with half truths and asking others to flag it, I didn't know what to do other than make my own post with the other side of the story including the fact I used the word you instead of bot creators, and I too believe some bots can be good, sadly though even good bots are taken advantage of, that is why I evolved into not liking them period, not using them, and if I ever find out who owns the bot that trails me I will be asking them to remove that trail because content should be read by people not voted on by bots. IMO but it is okay to disagree with me, this isn't the first time I have had a disagreement with someone, but it is the first time someone has decided to take it this far and make me feel like I have to publicly defend myself.

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Your contests add so much value to the platform, I am glad you're here doing what you do! People love to win things. Keep up the good work helping grow all our investments.

I doubt you needed the post to defend yourself, almost everyone here knows you're a benefit to the platform, try not to get sucked into the self destructive behavior.

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I decided I am done with it, I said my peace even tried to call a truce but he isn't having it, and I am done with engaging period with him.

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Best thing to do imo. You contribute a lot of value and are a largely positive influence and force on the blockchain and in the community. Seeing you sending people prizes and them receiving them and such is a blessing. You're willing to spread and share the wealth among the community and for anyone to be targeting you is insane tbh. Your interactions with others here have been largely positive and it's just sad to see how some are acting toward you in all this. Definitely just pay them no mind from here on out, they can be mad all they want and lash out, it will only backfire on them and cause them grief. Don't allow yourself to be sucked into their negativity. Keep your head up and fuck the haters. Keep doing your thing @tecnosgirl. :)

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I agree, I think disputes and arguments like this should be made behind the scenes. Having things like this prevalent on the blockchain won't help the community. I just think it's sad that some people can't let things go and move forward, for the best.

I've always been a supporter of @tecnosgirl and will continue to be. I also think that she should ignore the pettiness of the few who are upset and demanding that they be voted for or else others will be flagged... it's purely childish on their part.

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It is the same guy running both accounts and I am sorry I felt like I even had to make this post.

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No worries, he's made it clear he's a botter and has multiple accounts (Which is not necessary, as you don't need another account to have a "backup" anyway, meaning his point about that was invalid.) and has made it clear that when he disagrees with things, innocent people will suffer, not just the ones he's quarrelling with, and that's simply shitty behavior. A lot of his flags have been handed to people who were in no way involved in this and that's just pathetic. As I said a few times before, just keep your head up and pay him no more mind. He's not worth your time. You do great things for the people here and we appreciate you. Hate to see that they were able to get to you... but sometimes when you feel strongly, you feel the need to take action. Which is totally understandable. His behaviors are damaging to the platform and the community and all we can do is look to the future from here. :P

Wow. I heard about that great war between whales on steemit but I didn't think it would start happening here as well. I think it is pathetic for people to start these kinds of wars and start flagging anyone for reasons that shouldn't be reasons. I am NOT naming anyone specific. I'm talking in a general sense of the word. In all honesty I stand behind Noone on this. I don't have my hands in programing or bots so I don't understand what a bit can actually do and do not and what should truly get flagged and what should not. But if there are bot accounts that upvote with no SP, post nothing, completly off topic or too pornographic topics then those should get flagged to be avoided. I find it fu king pathetic that anyone would get hurt over a comment or opinion. I once got to talk to a psychologist and it's his opinion that if someone is unable to stand calmly behind their opinion, that they don't truly have faith in their opinion. In this I stand most behind @lamanoverde on this the most. Take it to the DMs and duck off the blockchain if you want to argue. I love smoke and it's like a second home to me. If it comes to it I will personally start a war with anyone who tries to ruin the peace and tranquility we have here. I just want this place to work.

TAKE IT TO THE DMs!

Well, i myself don't like bots in here or any other blockchain platform. not because i can't use bots but because i don't use them. I am good without them.

But still i am not the one that makes decisions here, so i'll leave it to the big boys.

I'll just do my normal posting and thats all. Cause i am only good at that.

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Thanks for the opinion!

Fun with flags by Dr Sheldon Cooper

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Nice, best flag video ever!

This would have been the perfect occasion for the use of a popcorn bot (like on Steemit) 👌😜

Oh well, I'll do it manually...

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Some comments on my Nova OG bong post got flagged too cause the rewards were too high lol - i feel as though i'm of the zen of it being better to use power for positive rather than negative - had to use my own power to re-balance my universe lol.

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I agree, I don't feel flags are necessary in most cases. I'd rather spend that vote power to give out rewards. It seems you've been targeted as well by the disgruntled users who feel the need to negatively impact others because they can't keep their cool Sorry you've been dragged into all the negativity from them mate. Uncalled for and unjust imo (As your content along with many others impacted in this, is actually valuable to the community.) Hopefully this will all die down soon, it's hurting my heart to see such ignorance from a handful of people on this platform, to the point where it's affecting basically innocent bystanders. :(

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Perplexing, yet entertaining at the same time... like watching a car crash :)

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I actually don't care that he flagged me but I am bothered that he flagged people that had nothing to do with this and now he's trying to blame it on a rogue robot. What did that Rogue Bot also private message me calling me a bitch?

I flagged you because you said I was personally ruining smoke, end of story! I was not one of the spam bot creators, I made a bot for vaped which will be my backup witness account. I need two accounts before I can have a backup, I don't have time to vote everything I would like by hand! You piss people off they flag! You keep it up I make flag voter specia for ul! Leave me alone, you started the war, IDK!

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Why do you need two accounts to have a backup?

You need a script which switches to another backup server, not another account. Besides your second account would also need to be voted to rank, the fallback solution doesn’t work on another account. Search the chain for the Pi script which is a switch running on a Pi. I think @betgames has a post about it (easiest path to find it AFAIK).

Lastly, one person running two witness accounts is counter to decentralization.

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Yea, he doesn't understand what a backup is. lol. He doesn't understand a lot of things and as a result... is throwing a tantrum. Best thing to do is pay him no mind and people like me will be using our stake positively, to counter his negative and uncalled for actions. Sad that it's come to that, but I will gladly use my stake to counter as much negativity as I can. Shrug

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I am planning to clone up a steemit witness backup program for use with two accounts! I never said I knew everything, I am just learning, the instructions are vague at best! Why would I want one when I could have two?? One witnesses on the same network aint going to back anything up if the host dies!?? lol
https://github.com/Netherdrake/conductor
I cloned it up for smoke, but just testing!
https://steemit.com/witness-update/@furion/lessons-learned-from-failing-as-a-witness

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Yeah you do that with two servers hosted in different data centers. The script then switches to the fallback server as soon as it detects a missed block.

You do not do that with two different witness accounts. The chain won't switch witness account. Your second witness account will just be queued accordingly to its received votes and produce blocks when it is assigned a block.

If your main server goes down and you have no fallback server on that account, it will keep missing blocks. No matter how many different witness accounts you run.

Operating multiple witness accounts as one person is not decentralization. It centralizes.

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Ok. thanks! That clears up a lot! So one witness with the two keys! I only skimmed the directions. When I was going through the install I thought it asked me for account 1 and account two, so I did not proceed because I was unsure. I guess it is their the devs wording that confused me! Nice! I never set one of those up before, this is all new to me, how am I supposed to find out the answer without probing for solutions first??

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... how am I supposed to find out the answer without probing for solutions first

One of the specific beauties of open source is that there's always help to be found and more often than not somebody will explain things, if not already posted somewhere and a link does the job. :)

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Go through @betgames posts. IIRC he has written multiple posts about the subject. Complete with mini-guide for setting up a fallover node.

So it all happens on the same witness account, because that's the one the blockchain assigns blocks.

You need a second server, preferably in a different data center. At least in a different rack.

That server is setup under the same witness account.

Then you need a script. That script monitors your server. As soon as it detects a missed block it switches to your backup server.

The script will then monitor the operation of the now active server. As soon as it detects a missed block it switches to the main server again.

This all happens under the same account.

If you set up a second account and tell the script that's the server, the chain will reject that witness account since it doesn't have the right keys to operate and produce blocks for your witness account. Because different account.

Otherwise one could just lock out the top 20 by forcing missed blocks and signing with multiple accounts under authority of the main account.

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No I gave an opinion where I admittedly should have used the word bot creators instead of you so you wouldn't feel personally attacked but you started this with this comment, not me, you started the flags not me. no you did with this.PNG

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i unfollowed u on steemit too, will take u out of my steemvoter, the only bot i use on steemit!
https://steemit.com/smokeio/@coininstant/smoke-down-big

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Saddest part in all of this is that you were actually doing well and contributing some valuable things... but now you've shown your true colors and had you just let things go and left well enough alone, or talked with a calm demeanor to her directly, instead of blowing things up on the blockchain, you could have still had a pretty good future here... not sure why you're so easily triggered, but that's not a good look and it's definitely cost you at this point. :/

I can only hope you realize the error of your ways and progress in a positive fashion. I myself have made some poor decisions here at times, but I decided that it's better to let certain things go and to try to reconcile with others, as that's what creates the most positive environment for everyone.

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Stop tagging me in your posts and I will leave you alone it works both ways.