SMOKE is just as wacked as STEEM! SMOKE DOWN BIG - Not sure why I am upvoting you all, you don't vote for me anymore!

2 years ago

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Thanks @joesmoke and @tecnosgirl for the flags! Smoke is too centralized for me!

You are weird, don't think this gunna stop me! All these people complaining, pointing fingers, flagging people like me when they do make good content?? Whatever smoke just failed me, it is like @berniesanders all over again!

lol one day I'll have more than one million smoke and come back for you #joesmoke!

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Hi Hightimes,

I've read and voted on TG's post. I read your comments around the issue and thought I would bring myself here, give your expression the respect of my attention and leave you my thoughts, if any (and there obviously are some :).

I'm not interested in 'sides' or the details of the current situation as such. You and I have interacted before and I know your a/c follows mine, thank you :).

On this particular issue of 'conflict', I think TG has taken a reasonable position and acknowledged where she 'triggered' you with the accusation of 'ruining it. Her post outlines her POV and her comments are consistent with this ie saying she 'shouldn't have'.

I thought I might get a bit more from your post that you say folk are not reading/voting for - I'll give you a vote, np. Thought I might get something more about your 'position'.

So here's what I think - my opinion:

  • there is no win-lose situation as I see it. Words as stated are not the 'battleground', emotions are!
  • if the platform lost an enthusiastic (and outspoken) technical blogger such as yourself, it would be a 'loss', regardless of any 'sides'. This 'loss' is sustained if you turn against the community (feel that it has turned against you), if you automate entirely or if you attack (in return for perceived attacks - real or not, ganging up etc)
  • on the issue of 'bots', you are obviously aware of the differing views, including a desire on Smoke not to repeat some (even all) of the behaviour that is enabled by bots. What one does with bots - what you do or intend to do - cannot be stopped, just as it cannot be stopped on Steem
  • I have no idea what you intend in the long run to achieve with bots, perhaps you do, perhaps you do not. However, you will know what your primary motive is - profit, altruism, community blah blah. I am not speculating but I am also saying that this is significant IMO. I think the next point below may or may not make sense depending
  • there is hurt and sensitivity, this seeps out into your comments and from under the weight of 'the community' which has criticised actions and words (but not who You are, coz nobody knows this). The 'for or against' mentality, a sense of 'persecution' in something like taking @indica's criticism as betrayal ('you too') is an expression of this (but it hurts you and is counterproductive - got muted and unfollowed)
  • there is the possibility (I do not know you or your intentions, right!) that this situation could be used to 'justify' whatever 'darker' possibilities exist for Bot-Emperors such as yourself - to maximise profit, to exact revenge, to state one's message/pain even louder. One of the reasons for this long-winded comment of mine on this post of yours is that I do not think this to be the case with you!

I hear You, you have called out loudly. I acknowledge You! There is no gratification, no 'redress', no compensation to be had in the external world. The chain has a short memory re. 'personal hurt' and this can be 'forgiving' to everyone, 3600. You have an already-established-presence and you have the everpresent choice to carry this on with 'custom upgrades' of your own definition and letting your actions/words/behaviours speak for themselves - and they will, either/any way!

Peace and Respect
@barge

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Whatever, i quit smoke, idk, bye, this aint going to work!

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whatever, there is nothing going o , i quit this crappy site, too much weed!

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Ok, your call. This site (which is all about weed btw) will carry on with or without your presence. Good luck to you!

Hey there you fucking piece of shit, why are you flagging my posts?

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Because you support me @rawpride he is calling it a tecnosgirl tax he thinks if he bullies people it will win them over.

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Nah, he's ruining his chances of having any success on this platform. We're just gonna team on him and flag everything he posts down to nothing if he wants to play these games, he's already lost.

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Why don't you read first, you want to get me back started???? wtf, i last said i would stop, u better check yourself! lol

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Bitch

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Just take it back, & vote for my post, simple! And the bury part was kinda threatening!

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dude you should learn to be more polite, you i don't like now! you better apologize! or calling it the rawpide tax now! you idiot!

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Fuck you, we're gonna bury your little bitch ass on this platform. You are the only one who needs to apologize to anyone. You are an asshole and deserve to be treated as such.

What happened? This is a weird post for a witness.

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Little FUD on SMOKE to get more cheap SMOKE and win the bot/nobot flag war.

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ironically this post shows why bots can be a bad thing as joe-smoke is a bot, I don't know who made it and I don't like that it follows me but it votes the same way I do. I misspoke and said you instead of bot creators and you started flagging me, and I have an auto trail that votes and flags with me. I don't want to fight with you and I said that in the post. I even asked people not to Flag you even though your alt account is asking people to flag me.
I disagree with Bots because it takes out the human element, you are the first person that I have disagreement with to take it to a flag war, I didn't flag you first, didn't flag you at all till you flagged my posts. I wasn't trying to personally attack you, I don't like bots, but I am taking issue with the ones that are being created to upvote spam and plagiarism. I also don't like Autovoting because people should read the content and then decide if it deserves curation or not.

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Stop arguing with an ignorant person. He is now going around and flagging anything around the network.

  1. He didn't even read you said that you're not a bot owner and that is following you for no reason.
  2. He is ignoring the fact that you're against the bots.
  3. He is a person acting like a bot.

Seems that yesterday a lot of bad actors showed their true face around here.

@hightimes - you have 2 options. Or stop this nonsense war with everyone or get flagged until your reputation is 0 and you can't post shit anymore. (that flag/down-vote exists for a very good reason to protect network from actions such as this one).

Chee®s

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right now flags disagreement reward. I was going to stop, but grady brown, and now you! I am simply waiting for gradys to say sorry!

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Your the only one who need apologize to anyone

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Just stop, i just woke up and have to read your comment! Technosgirl made the mistake, admitted it, upvoted my post, so did joesmoke, they realized they were idiots, you better too! Back off, don’t contact me anymore!

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I have never contacted you. This is a public blockchain, I am posting on it.

I'm going to continue to come around, and flag everything you post, until you apologize and grovel.

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Actually I admitted that I used the wrong word I didn't apologize for anymore than the word choice and I stand by what I said. And that up smoke was accidental. I fix that and removed it because I'm not removing any Flags or I'm not going to until you remove every single flag if ever innocent person that you flagged that was just asking questions or refused to take a side. You flagged people for no reason. You remove those flags from them, Idg2s ifthe flags are on me, the innocent one I do, I admit I used you instead of Bot Creators and you felt personally attack but even if I would have used the correct word you are bot creator and wod have been bothered anyways but thoses you flagged for no reason those who asked questions when you started demanding flags on me for a word choice you just expected people to blindly do as you say.

If you remove the flags that you placed unfairly I might consider upvoting you occasionally because up until this point of this shit going down you were a good Community member. And everyone is redeemable but I don't think you realize that you owe a lot of people in my apology I apologize for my wrong word choice to you but you still don't think that you owe anybody an apology and you owe so many people that you treated like shit over the last two days an apology. this is my last plea to you to act like a normal human being. If you decide to remove those votes you can send me a message on Discord and let me know that you've removed them and I will check and if you do then I will unflag the stuff I have flagged of yours. Because I believe in being fair if someone admits their wrongdoing as being fair and giving them a second chance. But until that happens this is the last communication I will be having with you. Have a good life and happy smoking.

But with the name calling who the fuck are you to call anyone an idiot?

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OMG u just admitted u use bots, u r biggest hypocrite ever! lol 😂

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And now you self vote your comments with you and your alt wtf

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Since when is self voting against the rules?? Not like I got many posts to upvote, also like my comments to be seen more if possible! lol Just testing, chill out man!

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I don't know who is behind the bot, I don't use it, someone else is using it, I can't stop it from trailing me, if I could I would, if I knew who was behind it I would ask them to stop and I don't use it, it uses me. That is my issue...

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whatever u r joesmoke

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No I am not. I wish I had the money he apparently has but I don't. I have earned every smoke I have as I work hard. I don't use bots and see how they damaged steemit. It is why I feel so strongly about it. But instead of trying to convince me other wise. You started cussing at me becuase I was in a rush making a comment and said you instead of bot creators. But like I said before I think taking away human interaction destroys the platforms cause then you have content creators not wanting to create. Why bother if only bots see it?

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Also Bernie Sanders is the king of multiple accounts it's funny how you say that he ruined your experience there. Thats part of the problem with bots. I am willing to agree to disagree and am willimg to even remove my flags but only if you remove yours too. I only flagged to prove a point anyways.

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Nope, no fud war, no bot war either, smoke does not need fud to drop! lol

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With that attitude as a witness I really don't know whats your value around here.

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I am running tests, somebody needs to build a flg system to protect against non pot posts! so we need to establish a baseline first! i can scrape to see if it is pot related and flag, but it takes time! lol this is the wild west! my value is expinential!

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It's nothing major, just @hightimes and @vaped being childish over the fact that they disagree with something or are disagreed with... and then they decided to start making threats of flags and botting flags. If they would have just let things go, they wouldn't have received any backlash... but when people choose to act childish, people like @tecnosgirl respond in a way they see fit.

I've never had any issues with @tecnosgirl and we don't always see eye to eye. I've literally even disputed things she's said and not once have I received a flag. It takes a lot to get on her bad side, like these two have... but what's pathetic is their actions in all of this and their admission to botting and intentionally flagging others that are not involved. The platform would be better off without them anyway and if I personally need to power up more SMOKE to counter their downvotes on innocent bystanders in all of this, so be it. I will not entertain this childishness and most others on this platform won't either. Sorry to see that even you're getting flagged by them for simply asking what's going on. You're legitimately curious as to why they're upset and you're getting flagged for it. Really not cool and they've lost my witness votes for good and will no longer receive rewards from me.

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I flagged you because you comment and not vote, so rude!

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Wow, that was quick. Flagged on a platform within first 10 days.

When you post something like this, only people who are involved will know what it is about. You shouldn't be surprised to get questions asked first, before people decide whether to flag or reward your post.

There is no logic in rewarding a post without knowing what it is about.

Again, for a witness, you behave weird.

This should be on @easyrider 's list of "what to look for before casting your witness votes".

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That is why I upsmoked your comments his flags on you are uncalled for and I am sorry his issue with me causes you blow back for asking questions.

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Thanks. It is unfortunate it happened, it is good to see how the community looks after one another.

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We definitely do. :) Don't mind the negative people. They will either be gone soon or their stake will not grow like yours will and their flags won't affect you as much. :P

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Don't be stressed. It's better we cleanup house now, then we can grow more easy.

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I understand. Not stressed btw, just surprised.

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Don't worry. The community is here to back those that are worthy. Childish people like this will not thrive here, but if you stay positive, you'll do just fine. I've been positive from the beginning, only disputing things here and there, and I've done just fine for myself. The community will have your back if you're a positive force, don't let negative people like this drag you down. Sorry that it happened so soon for you, but for me it took almost 5-6 months to ever receive a flag. Some people just aren't as mature as others and it shows.

Keep your head up mate and stay active, the community will look after you. Act childish and immature tho... and maybe not so much. lol :P

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Thanks. I guess I am still a bit standing on the outside, trying to find out what is going on inside. Trying to get a feel of the dynamics at work in this community.

Already found out, the majority of the community are just nice people. I am not leaving.

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Whatever if you can't follow whats going on, then your loss!???!

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No one is obligated to vote on your shit. Period. And you flagging because people aren't voting for you is childish and immature. Grow up. Don't like things here, just leave. No need for you to waste time and energy if you don't feel it's worth it here. Becoming a flag-happy dipshit won't help you either. Then, you're wasting your time for no rewards at all.

Crazy how people get butthurt about people choosing not to vote on something with their stake, when they don't see value. Kinda sad tbh.

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Nothing happened, smoke price down, i got ganged up on by stoners, lol!🤙🤙

Wait a sec... Are you using your bot now to selfvote every your comment??? And playing a victim?? Witness??

Fuck off buddy... Here's a flag and unfollow...

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Unfollow, good call.

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your the doom and gloom smoke price guy anyway, i never liked your attitude! lol

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I've been bullish, I've been bearish, but what I haven't been, is wrong...

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until your last comment to me?? The flags are nothing personal, they are for inflation control! The fact is you lagged the data, and the data won!

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Inflation control my ass, get the fuck out of here. Your a fucking piece of shit for flagging my posts. Fuck off bitch, I'm gladly going to join in on flagging all your shit to 0 forever unless you grovel.

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You've been a contributing member of this community, that does not bitch about what you feel entitled to, like this guy, clearly. You've given valuable content and produced positive things for the community, regardless of how people wish to take things you've said. Don't pay this guy any more mind. He's not worth your time, or any of ours, for that matter. :)

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No, your an idiot!

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*You're ;)

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whatever it was autocorrect

Back off tecnosgirl or I will join her flag war. You have no reason to start a flag war with a member over a concern about bots so I am on her side

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you idiot

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whatever man i never did anything more, just replying to all your guys wack comments! Tecnosgirl made lies about me, baited, switched, and tricked me!

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I disagree that you were 'victimised' in any such manner. There is no evidence of any lies, baiting or tricking (not sure what you mean about switching tho'). This drama can cease the minute you choose. I, for one, respect your feelings (of being baited, switched, tricked etc), but you gota see that you yourself are fueling this drama. You may, for example, choose to see this comment as me being against you - you may feel this, but is it really a likely conclusion based on my lengthy comment? I'm not on your side, nor against you. I am just an independent stoner with an opinion here and there. If you start shouting at me, I'll just walk away unintimidated, unfazed. You can choose your narrative, just as everyone else can theirs.

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No i was just going off the list of voters, vs commenters not voting on this post, simply as I said I was earlier! Thanks for not picking sides!

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This will die down, nothing is 'broken', nothing 'fixed'. Feeding the 'drama' will keep it alive and this is done by not letting go of it. When there are negative/angry/'attack-back' reactions expressed in posts and comments; when there is a demand for an apology from someone; when there is an accusation that someone is a particular alt or not, this is not 'letting go' and instead it continues to feed the drama. I do not believe that the kind of gratification anyone seeks (support, apology, acknowledgement etc) in such situations will ever be forthcoming...however waiting for it feeds frustration and therefore, the drama (there is no 'right' or 'wrong' to be found anywhere, just emotions and different points of view).

It takes two hands to clap and there's been enough noise already no? I don't really wanna say any more on this issue after this comment, so I leave you with some thoughts and suggestions:

  • drop the drama altogether (reacting, seeking gratification etc)
  • swallow any digs that come your way, some may be justified, others out of order, doesn't matter, they can be water off a duck's back. This goes with accepting responsibility for your part in feeding this entire drama (nobody who responds/reacts/attacks is 'innocent')
  • it is understandable that your feelings are also hurt (the battleground is the emotional one IMO), but it is possible to also see how these hurt feelings want to hit back and hurt the 'other' - and how this causes the cycle to just get bigger coz the 'hurt' is now perceived everywhere (the feeling of former friends turning against u etc) and the feeling of ostracism (it's an ugly feeling indeed, I have felt it many times myself) is deepened....hope you see what I'm saying
  • this will pass, everything shifts and changes. If the drama is not 'fed' any more, it will pass on into history like past posts on the blockchain. It's all a big learning process brother, nobody is an arsehole, we're all human with human hurts and human wants, expressing these in different ways and at different times. When things collide, something new is born. Optimism is always possible but 'drama' breeds pessimism.

Thanks for listening 🔆

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Agreed. Sometimes it's best to just let things go and move forward. It's better for everyone. But he does not seem to want to understand that fact. He's letting something little blow up and causing it to be worse for himself by making threats and such. I don't get some people's logic tbh...

un-following

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K I unfollowed you, is that what you meant? Complete sentences, I'm not a smoke mind reader! lol???

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Haha. Nope. What I mean is that I am un-following you, for calling us all losers. I see you have now edited that part out. LOL

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The blockchain never forgets. >:)

I'm unfollowing him as well. This is purely childish behavior and I don't condone or entertain it. Shrug

I gunna make flag bot for all you faquas then! k lol bye! IOt is going to be called the tecnosgirl tax! lol

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Done, Vape Post/ comment/flagger in action! Oopse it flagged me too, thats ok I aint posting anymore here anyway!

Fine, you and joesmoke voted back, i will end the flag war. I will go back to upvoting, sorry for the misunderstanding! lol